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Post by Jay Luo on Jun 6, 2012 11:14:07 GMT -5
Scorpion and Crab reinforcements have arrived to relieve the Fortress of the Forgotten, and a massive battle has ensued. Amid the chaos, a small band of heroes seeks to disrupt the bloodspeaker ritual and confront Oni no Akuma himself. ![](http://www.esteemedhouse.com/ee/images/Action/FortheEmpire.jpg) We're on borrowed time now; hoping to conclude the final battles early next week. In the meantime, have fun! --- Also, I've had some comments suggesting 1 Force for 50 Honor for the death actions is too little. I'm starting to agree, but I also don't want all the battles decided completely by suicide bombing. Thinking about upping this to 1 Force for 20 Honor? What do people think?
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Shosuro Aroru
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jun 6, 2012 11:18:57 GMT -5
...For a death action, 1 for 25 sounds good to me. Hope everyone has a lot of jade since 4 of the 6 actions cost it and only one of those 2 that doesn't is a click to count action.
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Post by Shoju on Jun 6, 2012 11:23:52 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that the death action + the Kenjutsu + the Spellcraft just sank the Shadowlands battle ship, and upping it to 1:25 is only going to steepen that.
Whatever "lead" the spider had is now gone with spellcraft scores that will single handedly nullify all the clicks that I have put into the battle. Koichi will come close to counteracting all of my clicking (and I have been dedicated) singlehandedly by simply competing in the spellcraft competition 1 time.
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Tamori Manji
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jun 6, 2012 11:29:03 GMT -5
ANOTHER SPELLCRAFT COMPETITION!!! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) *dies of happiness*
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Post by Mirumoto Keitaro on Jun 6, 2012 11:45:19 GMT -5
Hai, fighting against Akuma is indeed a good way to die!
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Alesha
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Post by Alesha on Jun 6, 2012 11:56:02 GMT -5
Not sure if 50 is not enough as it is... Spiders/Tainties don't even get that action.
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Kenji
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Post by Kenji on Jun 6, 2012 11:57:46 GMT -5
Agreed with shoju. Don't change things now.
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Post by Akodo Keisuke on Jun 6, 2012 12:37:44 GMT -5
Yes Jay dropping it to 20 will make even things out a bit more. The unintended consequence, of having the Bloom of the White Orchid last so long is there is a group of 10 or more players got to participate in a steady race raising their skills far beyond what an average player might. Thus the spell caster alone are adding over 11K to each. Dividing honor by 20 means characters deaths will have a definite impact and the course of the battles. Give the shadowlands a sacrifice action: Channeling Jigoku's EssenceThere is no death. There is no failure. There is nothing but victory for those who have strength to seize it.Should be based on Glory because there is no other stat that would give the spider parity with Honor, since most spider type action nail honor. But because it is Glory base keep the divider higher than the divider for Honor.
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Kenji
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Post by Kenji on Jun 6, 2012 12:39:10 GMT -5
Shouldn't this Channeling Jigoku's Essence be based on... TAINT ?
THAT would be challenging !
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Bayushi Hisa
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Post by Bayushi Hisa on Jun 6, 2012 12:40:52 GMT -5
Keep the honor deaths at 1:50. Add shadowlands death 1:50 taint.
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Post by Akodo Keisuke on Jun 6, 2012 12:44:43 GMT -5
Glory give more of the player base a fighting chance to contribute.
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Shosuro Aroru
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jun 6, 2012 12:45:37 GMT -5
...I assume you mean the top 10 board totals to over 11k, not for each person. I don't think it fits that the spider have a sacrifice action. It's in the character of jigoku to sacrifice pawns, but the lost aren't usually into suiciding for the benefit of oni. I'm sure the spider have noticed at least that Daigotsu has taken a back seat since Kyoso and Akuma have shown up. If all you care about is parity, then I guess you could have a get your soul sucked by kyoso action that used dishonor as a positive bonus to the battle(I figure jay should be able to code that easily).
...On the honor issue whatever number you increase it to I support. 1 in 50 is really low unless you're the current leader in honor for the entire game. If someone is willing to kill their character I think the benefits should be a bit higher. Even if in this case killing your character for a game that's ending doesn't seem as high a cost.
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Post by Shoju on Jun 6, 2012 12:45:57 GMT -5
Taint would be interesting, though i'm not sure how many of the "higher ups" would do it, since My 11635 taint would have to make up for my desire to finish the ritual for Kyoso, which I would lose out on by dying.
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Post by Shoju on Jun 6, 2012 12:47:25 GMT -5
It's not about parity for me. It's about seeing a spellcraft competition that the leaderboards will each nullify an entire players work at the battlefield due to the insanely high scores of spellcraft
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jun 6, 2012 12:50:50 GMT -5
Glory give more of the player base a fighting chance to contribute. Keisuke, the Glory boards simply cannot be compared to the Honor ones. Or do I need to bring up the difference between the two first places in both? Glory can be easily farmed, Honor can't (it can be farmed but not as easily). Besides, I agree with Aroru regarding the Lost and personal sacrifice, it simply doesn't add up. But I can see Jigoku willingly draining its pawns from their Taint to boost its more powerful minions (that is, Taint based sacrifice, that was a fitting suggestion). EDIT: To keep things interesting, an "edge" can be given to the Shadowlands. Keep the Honor sacrifices 1/50 and offer them Taint sacrifices 1/25.
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