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Post by Shokuma on Feb 28, 2012 18:03:13 GMT -5
I think that part of the concern on the Toturi side is the Battle 100 requirement for Toturi's Tactics, and it is quite a harsh one.
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Utaku Mai
Unicorn Clan
*Battle Maiden* *Paragon of Honor* *Goddamn Rockstar*
Posts: 484
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Post by Utaku Mai on Feb 28, 2012 18:08:35 GMT -5
There is a *lot* of equipment that ups your battle score. My unaugmented score is only 34, but there's enough equipment to give me 110.
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Akodo Keisuke
Lion Clan Mod
Lion Clan Regent ?Samurai ?Daimyo ?First Among Generals ?Tactician ?Commander ?Loyal
Posts: 704
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Post by Akodo Keisuke on Feb 28, 2012 18:09:45 GMT -5
First and most importantly Jay thank for all your hard work on this.
Here is a break down of what Joji and Enishi are talking about with what is required to click a single action. If you are looking at a single click Hantei players have a advantage.
That changes however when you chain the action together I think the break down will be more something like this. These numbers are my best guesses and may not be completely accurate. So please keep that in mind whilst looking them over. I have not had a chance to add in the new actions or really taken in to account the Audience with the Great Khan at Shiro Moto (costing 3 Fate and a Unicorn favor dropped from Arrival of the Unicorn), which has the same drop rate as Ride with the Morito.
If we stick to this and use the actions which Jay has given us, it is my belief that we can win through. This battle is not over yet and there is still a lot of time to get this done. In every battle there comes a time when both sides consider themselves beaten, then he who continues the attack wins. --Ulysses S. Grant
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Post by Mirumoto Daisuke on Feb 28, 2012 18:43:35 GMT -5
An informative table, Keisuke.
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Post by Hida Joji on Feb 28, 2012 19:59:34 GMT -5
First and most importantly Jay thank for all your hard work on this.
Quoted for truth and appreciation! Thx for the info!
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Shosuro Honzo
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Shosuro Daimyo * Ninja* "Master of Shadows"* Loyal * Unique
Posts: 194
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Post by Shosuro Honzo on Feb 28, 2012 21:23:29 GMT -5
Where can I get Lion standards?
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Feb 28, 2012 22:37:50 GMT -5
Now that we've moved into what is presumably the final phase of the battle, would it be possible to know what the current tallies are for CotSS? The ones posted after the end of the prior phase were somewhat... disheartening to say the least, particularly with the after-the-fact tally modifications. It would be nice to know if we've managed to make up any of the massive difference last posted.
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Takezo
Dragon Clan
Shugyosha, Loyal retainer of Toturi, Dragon Champion-in-exile
Posts: 415
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Post by Takezo on Feb 29, 2012 0:03:10 GMT -5
While the Ikoma are a welcome sight at CotSS, Takezo would *love* to see some Kitsu response - Water shugenja sound like the perfect countermeasure for this perpetual firebombing...
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Feb 29, 2012 0:10:40 GMT -5
I was actually hoping for a Kistu showing myself. It would do the Lion good to remind the world that we're not entirely devoid of magical might.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Feb 29, 2012 0:14:17 GMT -5
...Thank you very much Jay for your response and it's speed.
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quarim
Dragon Clan
Merchant*Qolat*Gaijin
Posts: 334
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Post by quarim on Feb 29, 2012 0:56:03 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for your participation in this battle. It's alot of fun. And special thanks to Jay. As far as the "unfair" or what ever else anyone wants to complain about I understand but I'm with Shoju on this. When you have to farm 3 actions to get you item to battle with then it's "unfair." Both sides have access to easy drop items and seem to be giving it their all. I'm hoping in the end we can all agree we are having fun. Thanks again.
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Post by Hida Joji on Feb 29, 2012 3:50:39 GMT -5
While the Ikoma are a welcome sight at CotSS, Takezo would *love* to see some Kitsu response - Water shugenja sound like the perfect countermeasure for this perpetual firebombing... Their Great-Great-Great-Great mothers won't let them play.
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Kakita Hiroshi
Crane Clan
* Duelist * Courtier * Magistrate * Warrior Poet *
Posts: 285
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Post by Kakita Hiroshi on Feb 29, 2012 4:37:21 GMT -5
Thank you so much for making the Taisa mission require 2 Lion standards. My carts were overloaded with those, while I have long run out of Brilliant Victories.
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Matsu Jimbo
Lion Clan
?Lion Clan Deathseeker ?Samurai ?Brash Hero ?Unique
Posts: 14
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Post by Matsu Jimbo on Feb 29, 2012 5:55:23 GMT -5
As far as I understand it, there are 3 different ways in which the Battle for CotSS has been unfair on the Toturi supporters:
1. The mad retrospective clicks-counting-or-no-longer counting debacle across different battles
2. The differences in fate cost per click between the two sides (see multiple posts above).
3. The mis-match between the weightings of the battle actions available, their costs, and the supposed background to the battle. Dragon (cut-off from supplies) vs. Lion (at home) + encirclement by Unicorn + multi-clan Toturi's army. That scenario would seem to place the Dragon forces at such a disadvantage, but is the represented in the number of options and clicks? Absolutely not. Instead, Toturi players face the complete reverse! Toturi players are fobbed-off with (paraphrased) claims such as, "there isn't really a fate-to-click mismatch" (which doesn't even address this third point, let along necessary stand as even a criticism of unfairness point 2) or, "its just for fun" (yea, unfairness is fun...).
Honestly, the battle at CotSS is such BS (thought I will stop short of accusing anyone of having a bias). Ultimately, if Toturi supporters do manage to magically pull around this battle (hey, the Lion are only on their home turf, in a castle, and aided by 2 armies while all three surrounding the enemy right?), I hope there is a wave of Hantei players committing shameful seppuku... *bitter scowl*
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Zeure
Crane Clan
Crane Clan ? Samurai ? Duelist ? Artisan ? Guardian of Metal ? Unique
Posts: 826
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Post by Zeure on Feb 29, 2012 6:04:32 GMT -5
Wow... I've finally seen someone that knows what its like to play a spider without having actually played one (assumedly so). Bravo Jimbo-san, bravo.
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