Shagi the Mad
Crane Clan
Fallen Crane * Scout * Mad * Shadowlands * Experienced 4 Hiruma Shagi
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Jun 9, 2012 13:17:19 GMT -5
* Since the battles at Drowned Merchant River and Fortress of the Forgotten are occurring simultaneously, if any player is on the high score list of more than one contest, I will only count their highest score, and will omit their lower scoring entry from the other contest. (Whomever is #11 on that contest will be pushed upwards into the top 10 for purposes of scoring.) This needs clarifying. The way it reads, if I have competed in two or more of the five contests (Hantei Spellcraft, Spider Spellcraft, Thunder Spellcraft, Kenjutsu, Horsemanship) only the highest one counts. Is that correct? So only the higher of the two thunder scores will count, even though they are in the same location and on the same side?
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Shagi the Mad
Crane Clan
Fallen Crane * Scout * Mad * Shadowlands * Experienced 4 Hiruma Shagi
Posts: 180
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Jun 9, 2012 13:24:07 GMT -5
They can simply choose which battle they wish to participate in, and keep clicking until they have a higher score. That would be fine if the contests all came off the same skill. But if someone's Horsemanship is 20 points higher than their Spellcraft or Kenjutsu, the chances are their highest score is a foregone conclusion.
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Utaku Mai
Unicorn Clan
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Post by Utaku Mai on Jun 9, 2012 13:27:34 GMT -5
This makes a lot of sense, Jay. Thanks for hearing everyone out. Even if it doesn't change the outcomes by a significant margin, I think it goes a long way to avoid feelings of a negative play experience, which would just spoil the great thing we've got going on as we approach the endgame. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Now, let's party like it's the end of the world!
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Post by Shokuma on Jun 9, 2012 13:29:00 GMT -5
I agree on the request for clarification. If each person can only counts for one out of the many, then the Spider are spread very thin between their own two contests - Arrival of the Obsidian Champion and Kyoso's Ritual (the fact that my respective base skills of 150 and 110 puts me 4th on both says something) - let alone adding any remaining civil war allegiances, and I'm sure that they are not alone in this.
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Kakita Mitsouko
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Post by Kakita Mitsouko on Jun 9, 2012 13:35:13 GMT -5
I think changing things right now, near the end is not fair at all. One day after setting the actions was a good limit to make such adjustments, though. I know it's an attempt to be fair, but changing rules in the middle of the whole thing isn't not a good way of doing it.
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Post by Jay Luo on Jun 9, 2012 13:45:28 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, my intent is that "you" are only in one location, so it would be okay to be on the high score for multiple contests at Fortress of the Forgotten. You couldn't both be on the high score list for a contest at Drowned Merchant River AND a contest at Fortress of the Forgotten, though. This is a completely legit criticism and I'm very sorry ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) unfortunately any action I take, even doing nothing, will make at least some people unhappy. I am hoping the changes I made will be the smallest change I can make, while still addressing some of the issues discussed here. Thanks to all for your feedback. Have fun!
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jun 9, 2012 15:08:55 GMT -5
...The problem before was your mistake allowed people to do things. Now your correcting that mistake by taking away their choice. The do it until you get higher at where you want to be is not a legitimate response, a die roll of 10-100 is hugely variable. Your "fixing" of this issue is now directly screwing with people's characters as opposed to the generic favoring one side of a battle. That is the wrong response. Especially since you've never fixed contests you made mistakes on before. Whatever though, my criticism's have always been ignored even when you say they're right, you're not going to change anything with days left on the game.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Jun 9, 2012 15:12:11 GMT -5
Hum... we had people fighting in more than one battle area all the time since the begining of the war. It´s kinda weirdo change it now, specially for contests. Now that contesants can't choose where they will count (my highest score depends purely on luck now, despist trying it again and again I can not choose DMR over FF or vice-versa anymore, for instance).
I undersant the same character is not supposed to be in 2 places at the same time, but it had been like this since the beggning, and many of us addressed to it long ago... well... let's see what happens.
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Post by Asahina Yuuto on Jun 9, 2012 15:18:05 GMT -5
If this is the course we are going, I do not think it unreasonable to let the rolls "maximize", and therefore allow the top players to choose where they would like their score to goto. This would at least allow the spellcraft kiddos to choose where they wish to be.
This, at least, addresses spellcraft which I think is the major complaint at this point.
Though, honestly, why we are making the end of the game a mechanics pissing match leaves me scratching my head.
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Jun 9, 2012 23:14:52 GMT -5
* Since the battles at Drowned Merchant River and Fortress of the Forgotten are occurring simultaneously, if any player is on the high score list of more than one contest, I will only count their highest score, and will omit their lower scoring entry from the other contest. (Whomever is #11 on that contest will be pushed upwards into the top 10 for purposes of scoring.) If this is going to be the situation, might I request that my rolls for Fortress of the Forgotten be the one dropped instead. My current score at FF is higher than my score at DMR, 1655 to 1651 respectively. If this info had been available before, I would never have left DMR to begin with.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star.png)
Demon Fox (妖狐)
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jun 10, 2012 3:00:42 GMT -5
I completely agree with Koichi and have used similar arguments multiple times in the past. As far as I'm concerned, Manji is, storywise, fighting in the Drowned Merchant River independently of what luck, being the fickle mistress that she is, says ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Jun 10, 2012 6:03:30 GMT -5
I didn't check which is higher, but I would definitely be fighting the Spider with my fellow Scorpion. We didn't plan this encounter forever just to have the clan's greatest shugenja halfway across the world. *at least he hopes*
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Jun 10, 2012 9:41:03 GMT -5
Hum... since most of the top #10 shugenja are also daimyo/Hatamoto/samurai with high statuses, it seems kinda reasonable that they top score COULD represent the ones following their orders in both places (at least, that's what I had in mind for Yuki, as I can organize and command a group but wouldn't, myself, leave KO).
To go strictly by the RP, I would be in none of these competitions. And if so is the case I don't mind being removed.
Fuyuko is kind harder to decide, she is Yuki's daughter (we hadn't the chance to explore it yet), and even if FF is closest to Shinden Asahina, she could had moved with the Scorpion may be, but let's say that our sympathies lies more towards the Dragon now.
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Akodo Kotaro
Lion Clan
Anyone can be prepared to kill. A samurai is, at all times, prepared to die.
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Post by Akodo Kotaro on Jun 10, 2012 12:18:56 GMT -5
This has sort of been my complaint since at least CotSS, I have hundreds, thousands even of troops that can't participate in a battle because they are the "wrong" troop type; instead I get to spend half of the battle farming the "right" troop type instead of fighting the battle. What's wrong with letting me use, say two Light Infantry instead of one Medium Infantry? There are other coded actions that require either this item or that item. I am also kind of annoyed that the last battle of the civil war is going to be so lop-sidededly decided by a contest between Horsemanship and Spellcraft. I am an Akodo Bushi, I'd rather that battles were decided by, say, Battle- straight up, Battle versus Battle, and all the Shugenja types can have spell casting actions that affect the ultimate score.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Jun 10, 2012 12:48:07 GMT -5
I don't know, personally I find this last gross imbalance to be kind of liberating. It means that I can just idly and casually click during dull moments of my day, like I did back in the beginning. Between the imminent demise of the game and the revelation that we were never going to win this battle, I just don't have to be invested anymore. Anyway, GG and all that. Congratulations on your victory, Hanteists. I hope you don't mind if I start rooting for the Spider.
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