3/1/2011: The Imperial Favor

[Jay Luo]

Emperor Hantei the 40th has officially proclaimed his support for the Shogun's march against the Yobanjin, praising Kaneka's swift and decisive action. The Shogun's army has now crossed the river into the Unicorn provinces, and his generals have begun planning for the upcoming battle.


Results of the Shogun's March debate at Toshi Ranbo:

Actions expressing concern over the Shogun's march: 5019 (47%)
Actions supporting the Shogun's march: 5569 (52%)

[Jay Luo]

I also made a change that I *hope* will help fix the problem where occasionally doing an action won't show the rewards from the action (in particular when the "mastery" item drop occurs). Let me know if you still see this happening (or if it seems fixed, though it was kinda rare so it may be hard to tell).

[Kakita Shinji]

may not have Sworn Enemy: Kaneka


But I've got two Kaneka Favors!

[Kitsu Natsuki]

Looks like Kaneka remembers grudges a lot better than favours...

(I'm in the same boat as you, Shinji-san.)

[Takezo]

Glad I resisted burning those slanders!

It's a good move (as well as sensible from a role playing perspective) restricting the new job thus - provides an incentive for more thoughtful selection of jobs (rather than just clicking everything for tokens) in future.

[Kakita Nova]

God damnit. Sworn Enemy: Kaneka prevents me from planning.

On a related note, could we please remove the chance for actions like Requisition Supplies or ones where you pay gold for weapons/armour to give you no actual items. I know when I hand over money I expect my goods in return and in a world where I stab people who annoy me this holds even more true.

[okara]

I am in the same place as most of those who replied here.
I have 2 favors and 1 sworn Enemy.
Is there any way we can lose the sworn enemy?
a quest perhaps?

best regards, and thanks for the fun

[Bayushi Sasori]

Those votes are close, it will be interesting to see how many players resisted speaking against the march, if even just to the first mastery, just to see what it dropped.

[Agasha Shodai]

I agree, there should be some way to use the favors to eliminate the sworn enemy. I mean, I could understand Sworn Enemy occuring if one had spoken against the march to Jade or Emerald status, but I would have thought maybe a disfavor would have occurred first.

[bodhibloodwave]

What it means is that Kaneka only likes being surrounded by 'yes-men' when he plans, rather then those who can see both the merits and disadvantages of his plans

[Hida Setsuro]

I think this is wonderful. I think that it really puts a hole in everyone's plans when they're the type that just does -everything- without thinking about it. There should be more missions like this. I liked the Dueling Tournament as well - needed Sworn Enemy to be against it and Ally to be for it. This kind of distinction is great.

[Kitsuki Yuushahime]

I agree with Setsuro. I approve of the distinction and not just mindless clicking to get all the tokens or bonuses. I only voted for the Shogun and not against. I was trying to achieve something in the game and am happy that result occurred. Just because this is a game doesn't mean you should be able to ignore the consequences for voting for both sides or doing contradictory behaviour.

My favourite games have crucial decision points - where you have to choose. Like in Mass Effect 2. Now you can save before a decision point certainly and see both results but... you can only get 1 ending with 1 set of decisions. You can replay and get another result but that requires a restart.

I think EE is best where people have to actually choose what they support and put some more thought into things rather than mindless clicking at everything new. If they really don't like it - seppuku I guess?

Would all those who want the ability to get rid of the grudge also agree for an easy way for taint to be completely removed if you willingly clicked the taint missions to get the completion bonuses? I think not, right? Well, it's the same here in my opinion. You have to live with your decision (although I do feel sorry that there wasn't perhaps a clear heads up "choose one or the other! Seriously!" and I feel bad for people who misclick missions and got taint that way ^^

Anyhow, I like the move and as I said I agree with Setsuro. This kind of distinction makes the game a lot more interesting! More missions like this will actually cause more people to stop and think and hopefully they'll become more immersed in the game world as a result.

[Kakita Kyoshi]

Mar 1, 2011 8:24:29 GMT -5 bodhibloodwave said:

What it means is that Kaneka only likes being surrounded by 'yes-men' when he plans, rather then those who can see both the merits and disadvantages of his plans

Yes, the shogun is an idiot not to put personal feelings aside and look for the best of the empire. I am glad now I have his enmity, people like that are disgusting (I think it would have been far better if people with his favour could do it instead the other way around, but I like it to see that it is possible to prevent folks from certain actions if they have enemies).

Mar 1, 2011 8:53:46 GMT -5 Hida Setsuro said:

I think this is wonderful. I think that it really puts a hole in everyone's plans when they're the type that just does -everything- without thinking about it. There should be more missions like this. I liked the Dueling Tournament as well - needed Sworn Enemy to be against it and Ally to be for it. This kind of distinction is great.

I would also like to see more missions like that, but it should make always sense. I consider my character to be someone who speaks even unpleasant truths (which might bring me enemies), but when I also get favours for the same person or faction that should be not ignored. That Kaneka dismisses advises from samurai who have two favours but have done something in the past to anger him seems to me like to behaviour of a not too clever man.

To have the option for that kind of mission is great, it just don't fit in this case. It just let makes Kaneka look bad.

[Hida Setsuro]

Mar 1, 2011 9:10:02 GMT -5 Kakita Kyoshi said:

Mar 1, 2011 8:24:29 GMT -5 bodhibloodwave said:

What it means is that Kaneka only likes being surrounded by 'yes-men' when he plans, rather then those who can see both the merits and disadvantages of his plans

Yes, the shogun is an idiot not to put personal feelings aside and look for the best of the empire. I am glad now I have his enmity, people like that are disgusting (I think it would have been far better if people with his favour could do it instead the other way around, but I like it to see that it is possible to prevent folks from certain actions if they have enemies).

My question to you, Kenshi, is this..

On the opposite side of this coin, did you choose to support both missions and do them? In that case, you'd be a double-talker and no one would really trust you anyway. So perhaps Kaneka is glad NOT to have people who would double-talk amongst his friends?

I only completed the favor him mission, so I'm pretty solid in my step.

[Kakita Kyoshi]

Mar 1, 2011 9:23:46 GMT -5 Hida Setsuro said:

Mar 1, 2011 9:10:02 GMT -5 Kakita Kyoshi said:

Yes, the shogun is an idiot not to put personal feelings aside and look for the best of the empire. I am glad now I have his enmity, people like that are disgusting (I think it would have been far better if people with his favour could do it instead the other way around, but I like it to see that it is possible to prevent folks from certain actions if they have enemies).

My question to you, Kenshi, is this..

On the opposite side of this coin, did you choose to support both missions and do them? In that case, you'd be a double-talker and no one would really trust you anyway. So perhaps Kaneka is glad NOT to have people who would double-talk amongst his friends?

I only completed the favor him mission, so I'm pretty solid in my step.

I took both missions, because I thing it's good that the empire gets defended, but I think it's was not wise to move without the blessing of the emperor. He should have waited for that. So I can support something but still point out the flaws. I mastered every action so far on his way at least once (which should show I support him).

Yamamoto Tsunetomo has once written in his Harakure something like that: Some man make mistakes in the past, but they learn from them and became better for it. So people who made mistakes in the past are better than people who have not made mistakes yet.