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Post by Daigotsu Kumurus on Oct 15, 2011 9:57:58 GMT -5
A recent suggestion of mine in the Live Chat on the Facebook app seemed to make sense...
Most people have now chosen a leader....either Hantei or Kaneka (Toturi)....but some people I believe are having second thoughts....I know I'm one of them....
So....I just wondered....who else believes that there should be an option for switching sides in the current war?
My suggestion is that it should be possible...but that the character would incur a loss of Honor and an increase in Infamy (similar to joining the Spider from a different clan)...
Also....as a possibility....an option to leave the chosen leader all together without the need to join the other side (this option having a much greater Honor loss and a greater increase on Infamy)...
What do you all think?
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Oct 15, 2011 10:20:44 GMT -5
Some Clans have this if you picked a side that wasn't in agreement with the Clan policy. Unfortunately, if you now follow the clan's emperor choice and want to change - you can't as far as I know as you cannot renounce your pick. It ties in with the setting. You wouldn't just be going back on your oath to Hantei/Toturi anymore - you would be betraying your Clan.
Becoming neutral has a nice ring to it but it would be easy to abuse as a week later you could pick a side again. I think it'd be too complicated to introduce something like that. Sorry!
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Suzume Satoru
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Post by Suzume Satoru on Oct 15, 2011 10:45:05 GMT -5
Yeah, going neutral would involve spending the Supporter item, and then getting a "Torn Banner" item (or some such) that indicates your neutrality. Then all the declare actions would need to be changed so that you couldn't have the "Torn Banner" item in order to do them. That's a bit much in terms of leg work when you could just simply not do any of the actions that require supporter item in order to play out your neutrality.
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Post by Tsi Eri on Oct 15, 2011 11:52:46 GMT -5
*nods* Well, if neutrality is practical, I'd be find with that. Just so long as you can't go from one to the other. No one in Rokugan would trust such antics. Not even (and maybe especially from) a Spider.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Oct 15, 2011 12:09:45 GMT -5
We all are samurai or at least pose as one. Samurai is literally the one who serve. How you can decide not to serve your lord? Huge infamy hit (~1000) and honor loss (~10,000) would not be enough. You should also lose your clan affiliation (without possibility to marry into any clan) and being hunted by all your past clanmates. If you decide you have chosen wrong you may always commit seppuku to negate your mistake or as an act of disagree with decisions of your daymio.
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Post by Suzume Satoru on Oct 15, 2011 12:18:00 GMT -5
There is irony in your statement, Shigekazu.  |
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Oct 15, 2011 12:45:28 GMT -5
Where is irony in my statement?
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Post by Daigotsu Kumurus on Oct 15, 2011 14:05:48 GMT -5
.......yeah.....I'm getting the feeling from the comments here that my next line should be "Sorry I spoke!"  Perhaps it was because the suggestion came from a Spider... However....I noted that there was a mention of "some" clans getting the option....hmmm....Spider didn't get the opportunity I noticed.....not sure who else....I do agree that you shouldn't have the opportunity to change sides should your clan openly support the particular leader... I know that a few people did like the idea....I agree that if the neutral idea was practical that you shouldn't be allowed to join up with either side again. It seems it has already been considered then and decided against....oh well....another idea killed in battled and denied the decency of the grave (other things not in Emerald Empire)! EDIT: Actually, no, wait a minute....Spider have been spurned by both Hantei and Kaneka....so they SHOULD be allowed the option.... |
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Oct 15, 2011 14:18:11 GMT -5
Kumurus-san, if you feel sorry you should apologise. But it seems you are not, so do not do that. You can be sure if such idea of switching sides come from anyone else (except Jay Luo or Alison themselves maybe) I would respond in the same manner.
Unfortunately I do not understand the rest of your post. Could you explain it to me?
And generally about Spider so-called Clan - when you chose a character who represents everything other characters are standing against do not be surprised they do not like you.
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Oct 15, 2011 14:30:16 GMT -5
Yap, some ppl take the clan stuff too serious, even on the OOC area of the forum (I'm not saying this is the case, I really can't tell if it was...). On the topic: I think being aligned differently from your clan should turn you into a ronin right now >.o This all could change after the war ends, who knows what the guy on the throne will do. (May be we manage to kill both and Sezaru and start a new race for the throne  ) Changing side into your clan side is available. Marriage is available, so, with the proper engineering you can change side. If changing side is at top importance. I would like an option that allows ppl to "give up the war". They could lose the Supporter item they already have, but get something as "not trustworthy" that prevents them from joining other faction. Rokugan is kinda about convictions and people who changes convictions very often should be "out layers". Getting neutral could be possible, specially now that new issues (like the bandits) are showing up. Some samurais may think it is more important to deal with that. No need for a Emperor if there is no Empire anyway. Of course, once more, I have no idea on the coding effort it would take to implement all this stuff. And this is always a barrier that must be considered (time availability). Among a ocean of ideas the coding fortune may have time to implement only a few of them. Sometimes it doesn't mean the other ideas are bad ideas. ^^ |
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Post by Suzume Satoru on Oct 15, 2011 14:35:57 GMT -5
Where is irony in my statement? The irony is you're talking about Samurai turning against their lord, and yet half of Rokugan is in open rebellion. ;D |
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Post by Akodo Tomatsu on Oct 15, 2011 14:46:08 GMT -5
Satoru, the term rebellion can be equally applied to both sides, so that in its self is a rather musing statement.  |
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Oct 15, 2011 14:48:53 GMT -5
*bows to Satoru's words* And this is why I refuse to kneel down to Kaneka! My only and true lord is Naseru aka Hantei aka One and the ONLY true Emperor! Yes, it is true that Khan is also my lord... but above him there is an Emperor. You know, boss of all of the bosses It's like Khan is a daimyo... while Emperor is a champion. If your champion tells you to die... you don't ask why. You ask how you can die to entertain him enough for him to be happy. Are we clear? And behave or I will use my ultimate weapon...  Like this one |
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Post by Suzume Satoru on Oct 15, 2011 14:48:59 GMT -5
Satoru, the term rebellion can be equally applied to both sides, so that in its self is a rather musing statement. Really? Was there a sitting Emperor prior to all this? |
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Post by Akodo Tomatsu on Oct 15, 2011 14:50:28 GMT -5
Do Samurai not have the ability to leave a lord's service whom they do not find worthy of that service?
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Perhaps it was because the suggestion came from a Spider...
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